Thread:Prototime/@comment-35303705-20181016015328

Hey, so I noticed your comment on the Void page, let me explain why I made those edits.

The Pale King is never mentioned to be "ancient", he is a relatively recent arrival to Hallownest. We know that the Void is an ancient force since the civilization before Hallownest worshiped it. The Pale King himself (not his Wyrm form, but his bug form) is never said to be ancient. Furthermore, why would the Radiance refer to the Pale King, when during the boss fight with the Radiance, it's the Knight with the unified Void behind them who is fighting her? There's also the light vs dark theme that's going on with the Radiance and the Void, and the Radiance saying in her dreamnail dialogue that her light will not be consumed. Consumed by who? The Pale King? It is the Void who is a consuming force, not the Pale King. This makes it far more likely that the Radiance and the Void are ancient enemies, not the Radiance and the Pale King. The Void page had a ton of baseless speculation on it before it was rewritten (this was a few months ago), and we'd like to avoid something like that happening again.

I'm removing the fact that the Void is called "black liquid" because this is never said explicitly. If you're referring to this lore tablet: "PLACE-IN-ABSENCE-THIR-VOID-LIQUID-SUBSTANCE-O-", that probably refers to the way a Vessel is created, it does not say anything on the Void itself. Meanwhile, in the description for the Shade Cloak, it is said that it is "formed from the substance of the Abyss", as well as Hornet who says that the Shade Cloak is made from "the substance of the Abyss' shadow". This is as close as we can get to an actual definition of Void. For a very long time, the way that Void was described on this page was not based on anything stated in the game, that is why I want to stick to something that is actually said in the game.

About the Vessels, it is only said that they were "discarded" and that they are "refuse". They are born in the Abyss, and it is never once said that they were taken out of the Abyss, then thrown back in. For all we know, most of them could have died trying to climb out. If you state that the Vessels were cast back into the Abyss, it implies that they were taken out first. There is no evidence of this at all. Worse, it may lead some people to believe that the Vessels were born or even created in White Palace and then dumped into the Abyss.

The Void page is very tricky because if something is mentioned on this page, people will believe it without question. For instance, the list of "Void beings" used to say "Void constructs", meaning that the Vessels and Void Tendrils were implied to be constructs as well, which isn't true. Hornet was also listed as "potentially" being a Void construct, which couldn't be further from the truth. I've tried to avoid any speculation and only state the facts, except for the ancient enemies part because I believe that is very relevant for understanding the nature of the Vessels, Void Heart, the Radiance, and the Dream No More ending.

This is my reasoning for these edits, I hope you see now why I changed or phrased things in a certain way. 